A girl with a boyfriend accepted a date with me recently. Taking girls off their boyfriends is something I accept as a necessary part of getting hot women. So going spending my time with attached women is no big deal to me. I often pick them up and I often fuck them.
So it got me thinking. Especially when you’re with a girl who is ‘taken’, how do you know if you’re getting somewhere or you’re just an orbiter?
I just know. I am semi natural, semi learned. Incidentally I hear a lot of guys say exactly this, but when I press them on it, I find out their ‘natural game’ has bedded them 2 or 3 average women over a few years years. Well… that’s not ‘natural game’, that’s ‘naturally having no game whatsoever’. Game means you get women into bed a lot.
Anway. I was always on it with girls and when I learned game, it gave me a philosophy that explained to me why I had been so successful and an infrastructure to increase the good stuff I did and decrease the bad stuff I had been doing.
As such, being largely natural, I always find it very hard to introspect and create my own structure and science around my experiences. I always ‘just sort of know’, can ‘just sort of tell’. I can read someone else’s method, like the Mystery Method, and quickly get it and approve it or not. I can amend it and assimilate.
In RSG, a lot of the ‘RSG method’ we developed between us all, was the naturals doing things, then one of the learned guys, after watching them and introspecting, would come back a few days later with a breakdown and a rationale. (Repeat that process ad nauseam over 4 years in a big house in London and people start to get pretty good).
So I messaged out to a few of the old boys yesterday ‘how do you spot you’re an orbiter’ and these are some of the returns.
Convo time (John Wisdom)
When does she talk to you or meet you? Is it at moments when her time is at a premium or just when you fit in? If she finds time for you when it’s premium time, then you’re less likely to be an orbiter.
Now it depends on the girl as to what her idea of premium time is. You might have to work that out for yourself. If she is a bit of a party chick and she is text conversing with you a lot when she’s on most of her nights out, then you can maybe take it as a good sign.
When she has a choice between you and something she finds value in – does she choose you?
Sex talk (Lee)
An obvious one from Lee, but he made a good, further point. How does she react to flirtation and direct sex talk? Does she go with it or shut it down?
It’s dead easy. I test girls with boyfriends by saying things like ‘With a brain like mine our kids would be unbeatable. And with a body like yours, I’d be encouraged to make a lot of them’.
Then I just watch to see how she reacts. I’m telling her that not only is she going to give her precious eggs up for my genes (a thought she’d has a visceral reaction to if she didn’t fancy me)… but that I’m going to fuck her repeatedly AND it’s what I really want to do.
If she likes it, smiles, laughs, plays along, then you’re likely in a green zone.
If she blocks this kind of talk with ‘why would you say that’ or ‘that’s not funny’ ‘Ugh, don’t be weird’ or any answer that shuts down this kind of avenue, then you may be outside her sexual radar.
One way favours (Bojangles)
This one is brilliant. I’ve done this so many times. I knew what I was doing, but at the same time I didn’t know why I was doing it. I would never have put my finger on it.
Does she do you mundane or inconvenient favours for thanks or even no thanks?
Example. Within two weeks of knowing my girlfriend JJ, I gave her a cumbersome, awkward job to do for me, which would also cost her £10. She did it enthusiastically. I needed the job doing, but I can see how I was automatically testing her for her willingness to please me. I was trying to work out if I was on the radar or not.
My job for her incidentally was to post me back to the UK some clothes I couldn’t fit in my suitcase. A boring chore which would take time and effort and cost postage.
So see if she is willing to put herself out for you. Will she surrender her time to something non glamorous, just to please you. This is what girls do for men who they want to fuck.
Flakey (John Bodi)
A good one from Bodi. If she is happy to let you down and it’s not unusual for her to do so, then you’re just not important to her. When a girl likes a guy, everything takes a back seat. Being late is one thing, but general flakiness, last minute cancellations, last minute changes to plans, all signs you’re just a side portion in her eyes.
Some girls, Bodi says, like to collect orbiters. They are super friendly up front to tease them in, then pull themselves away. I’ve never experienced this, because I am cool as fuck and I wear a leather jacket and ripped jeans. But I take his word for it. It’s probably happened to him loads of times.
Being introduced to her friends as a friend (sigh…’ The Sundance Kid’)
We have to call him the Sundance Kid now. He should have chosen a proper name the first time round, rather than his real one. That might have been a good idea. Now we have to get used to not only calling him a new name, but a long winded one at that.
Anway, Sundance suggested two signs.
One, she pains to introduce you as a friend to other people. She wants to make it clear she is not romantic with a low value fuckwit like yourself.
He goes one step further and points out, if she has a boyfriend and she is happy to introduce you to her friends at all, then you’re not someone she wants to be discreet about. So don’t go buying and rubbers any time soon.
If anyone has any more, let us know.